• ax.25 kernel stack

    From N1uro@432:1/100 to All on Thu Oct 7 10:58:00 2021
    Greetings;

    It appears that there's been some progress in getting the ax.25 stack in the kernel finally fixed. For NetRom usage, it's a matter of a 4 line patch to close previously used (but no longer in use) ax.25 sockets which establishes the virtual circuit required for NetRom to transport under. I'm shocked
    that the politics of maintaining kernel patches is so deep that it's stalled its repair for so long. When this is resolved I'll recreate my sourceforge repositories for URONode, axMail-FAX, and htppu convers servers.



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  • From Pepper@432:1/100 to N1uro on Fri Oct 8 19:44:17 2021
    On 07 Oct 2021, N1uro said the following...
    It appears that there's been some progress in getting the ax.25 stack in the kernel finally fixed. For NetRom usage, it's a matter of a 4 line

    Well that's some good news! Nice to see it may be going in a positive
    direction now.

    -=Pepper=-

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  • From N1uro@432:1/100 to Pepper on Sat Oct 9 00:15:00 2021
    Hello Pepper;

    Pepper wrote to N1uro <=-

    Well that's some good news! Nice to see it may be going in a positive direction now.

    It's only taken it since kernel 2.6 to do such however most usage isn't affected in the 3.x series of kernels.

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  • From N1uro@432:1/157 to Pepper on Sat Oct 9 09:06:00 2021
    Hello Pepper;

    Pepper wrote to N1uro <=-

    Well that's some good news! Nice to see it may be going in a positive direction now.

    We can only hope! Running a 3rd party app with it's own protocol stack works BUT you suffer speed in packet switching because it's 3rd party and frames still have to pass through the kernel. It'd be better to get the native
    kernel stack fixed.

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  • From Pepper@432:1/100 to N1uro on Mon Oct 18 19:44:06 2021
    On 09 Oct 2021, N1uro said the following...
    We can only hope! Running a 3rd party app with it's own protocol stack works BUT you suffer speed in packet switching because it's 3rd party
    and frames still have to pass through the kernel. It'd be better to get the native kernel stack fixed.

    Yes, that makes sense. Native would always be preferred.

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  • From Vk3jed@432:1/101 to N1uro on Fri Dec 17 20:08:00 2021
    On 10-07-21 10:58, N1uro wrote to All <=-

    Greetings;

    It appears that there's been some progress in getting the ax.25 stack
    in the kernel finally fixed. For NetRom usage, it's a matter of a 4
    line patch to close previously used (but no longer in use) ax.25
    sockets which establishes the virtual circuit required for NetRom to transport under. I'm shocked that the politics of maintaining kernel patches is so deep that it's stalled its repair for so long. When this
    is resolved I'll recreate my sourceforge repositories for URONode, axMail-FAX, and htppu convers servers.

    Good to hear there seems to be progress at last.


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  • From N1uro@432:1/157 to Vk3jed on Sun Dec 19 20:23:00 2021
    Hello Tony;

    Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

    Good to hear there seems to be progress at last.

    Yes there appears to be a renewed interest in getting things actually fixed. The netrom patch was said to finally been applied but I haven't heard anything about it actually being deployed out. With that however I did post new releases of all my projects on sf.net URONode still remains one of the
    smaller packet binaries available while also being the fastest:
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  • From Vk3jed@432:1/100 to N1uro on Mon Dec 20 18:47:00 2021
    On 12-19-21 20:23, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hello Tony;

    Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

    Good to hear there seems to be progress at last.

    Yes there appears to be a renewed interest in getting things actually fixed. The netrom patch was said to finally been applied but I haven't heard anything about it actually being deployed out. With that however
    I did post new releases of all my projects on sf.net URONode still
    remains one of the smaller packet binaries available while also being
    the fastest: 341116 Oct 22 12:30 /usr/local/sbin/uronode

    I might look at kernel packet when the new kernels come out. Will probably have to roll my own, unless everything's modular and available. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@432:1/100 to N1uro on Mon Dec 20 18:47:00 2021
    On 12-19-21 20:23, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hello Tony;

    Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

    Good to hear there seems to be progress at last.

    Yes there appears to be a renewed interest in getting things actually fixed. The netrom patch was said to finally been applied but I haven't heard anything about it actually being deployed out. With that however
    I did post new releases of all my projects on sf.net URONode still
    remains one of the smaller packet binaries available while also being
    the fastest: 341116 Oct 22 12:30 /usr/local/sbin/uronode

    I might look at kernel packet when the new kernels come out. Will probably have to roll my own, unless everything's modular and available. :)


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  • From N1uro@432:1/157 to Vk3jed on Fri Dec 24 15:18:00 2021
    Hello Tony;

    Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

    I might look at kernel packet when the new kernels come out. Will probably have to roll my own, unless everything's modular and
    available. :)

    Most ham stuff is modular in the kernels but you may be better off rolling
    your own. As I understand it, the netrom patch has been included now
    but I don't know if current distro's have released it with their flavors. Being in the hospital on and off has kept me away from the loop.

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  • From Vk3jed@432:1/100 to N1uro on Sat Dec 25 17:46:00 2021
    On 12-24-21 15:18, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Most ham stuff is modular in the kernels but you may be better off
    rolling your own. As I understand it, the netrom patch has been
    included now but I don't know if current distro's have released it with their flavors. Being in the hospital on and off has kept me away from
    the loop.

    I've had kernels where the ham stuff wasn't available at all, modular or otherwise. Certainly wouldn't be the first time I've rolled my own (there was really no choice in the 1.2.x days ;) ).


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  • From N1uro@432:1/100 to Vk3jed on Sat Dec 25 16:42:00 2021
    Hello Tony;

    Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

    I've had kernels where the ham stuff wasn't available at all, modular
    or otherwise. Certainly wouldn't be the first time I've rolled my own (there was really no choice in the 1.2.x days ;) ).

    I recall those days... not only did you have to compile your own for ham protocols, but also you had to compile in your NIC drivers as well. It's sort of funny in a parallel way that the way kernels and installs were back then compared to say RPi newbies is like comparing DOS and making programs in
    Debug vs new Windows 10 users!

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  • From Vk3jed@432:1/100 to N1uro on Sun Dec 26 20:57:00 2021
    On 12-25-21 16:42, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hello Tony;

    (there was really no choice in the 1.2.x days ;) ).

    I recall those days... not only did you have to compile your own for
    ham protocols, but also you had to compile in your NIC drivers as well. It's sort of funny in a parallel way that the way kernels and installs were back then compared to say RPi newbies is like comparing DOS and making programs in Debug vs new Windows 10 users!

    Yep, you had to compile in all of the options for your hardware, and there was a certain CD-ROM driver that you did NOT want to include, unless you actually had that drive, because the driver would take ages to try, before finally quitting. Modules were a godsend.

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    :D


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  • From N1uro@432:1/100 to Vk3jed on Sun Dec 26 15:59:00 2021
    Hello Tony;

    Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

    Yep, you had to compile in all of the options for your hardware, and
    there was a certain CD-ROM driver that you did NOT want to include,
    unless you actually had that drive, because the driver would take ages
    to try, before finally quitting. Modules were a godsend.

    Those were the good ol' days! There was a couple of NIC drivers as well you didn't want to load unless you had *that* specific NIC. Even whatever you wanted for other network protocols you had to flag and compile in.

    You're 100% correct, modules do make things a LOT simpler.

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  • From Vk3jed@432:1/100 to N1uro on Mon Dec 27 18:27:00 2021
    On 12-26-21 15:59, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Those were the good ol' days! There was a couple of NIC drivers as well you didn't want to load unless you had *that* specific NIC. Even

    Yes, I recall that too! :)

    whatever you wanted for other network protocols you had to flag and compile in.

    You're 100% correct, modules do make things a LOT simpler.

    Indeed. :)


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  • From N1uro@432:1/157 to Vk3jed on Tue Dec 28 18:55:00 2021
    Hey Tony;

    Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

    You're 100% correct, modules do make things a LOT simpler.
    Indeed. :)

    I wonder how difficult it would be to import linux-hams@vger.kernel.org
    in here? At least some of the information posted would get seen by
    more than just who's on there. Just a query :)

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  • From deon@432:1/142 to N1uro on Wed Dec 29 17:32:49 2021
    Re: Re: ax.25 kernel stack
    By: N1uro to Vk3jed on Tue Dec 28 2021 06:55 pm

    I wonder how difficult it would be to import linux-hams@vger.kernel.org
    in here? At least some of the information posted would get seen by
    more than just who's on there. Just a query :)

    Pretty easy (with Synchronet).

    Tony has SBBS so he could set it up, if not, I can.


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  • From Vk3jed@432:1/100 to N1uro on Wed Dec 29 18:27:00 2021
    On 12-28-21 18:55, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hey Tony;

    Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-

    You're 100% correct, modules do make things a LOT simpler.
    Indeed. :)

    I wonder how difficult it would be to import linux-hams@vger.kernel.org
    in here? At least some of the information posted would get seen by
    more than just who's on there. Just a query :)

    Technologically speaking, it's simple for anyone running Synchronet, but from a traffic management viewpoint, it would be better off in its own echo. I could certainly host it on VKRadio.

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  • From Vk3jed@432:1/100 to deon on Wed Dec 29 18:40:00 2021
    On 12-29-21 17:32, deon wrote to N1uro <=-

    Re: Re: ax.25 kernel stack
    By: N1uro to Vk3jed on Tue Dec 28 2021 06:55 pm

    I wonder how difficult it would be to import linux-hams@vger.kernel.org
    in here? At least some of the information posted would get seen by
    more than just who's on there. Just a query :)

    Pretty easy (with Synchronet).

    Tony has SBBS so he could set it up, if not, I can.

    Haha I said pretty much the same thing. ;)


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  • From N1uro@432:1/157 to deon on Wed Dec 29 09:16:00 2021
    Hello deon;

    deon wrote to N1uro <=-

    Pretty easy (with Synchronet).
    Tony has SBBS so he could set it up, if not, I can.

    I have SBBS as well but recently discovered a security flaw with SBBSEcho
    so I'll be taking it down.

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  • From deon@432:1/100 to N1uro on Thu Dec 30 09:58:55 2021
    Re: Re: ax.25 kernel stack
    By: N1uro to deon on Wed Dec 29 2021 09:16 am

    I have SBBS as well but recently discovered a security flaw with SBBSEcho
    so I'll be taking it down.

    By today's standards, isnt most BBS software insecure?


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  • From Nkeck72@432:1/100 to deon on Thu Dec 30 13:35:37 2021
    In article <61CCF691.329.fsx_ham@finalzone.ddns.net>,
    "deon" <deon@21:2/116> wrote:

    Re: Re: ax.25 kernel stack
    By: N1uro to deon on Wed Dec 29 2021 09:16 am

    I have SBBS as well but recently discovered a security flaw with SBBSEcho so I'll be taking it down.

    By today's standards, isnt most BBS software insecure?


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  • From N1uro@432:1/157 to deon on Sun Jan 2 10:07:00 2022
    Hello deon;

    deon wrote to N1uro <=-

    By today's standards, isnt most BBS software insecure?

    I may have an old copy of sbbsecho, I don't know. Someone I tried to set up
    to feed was able to turn on echos from other nets which were not allowed in
    my config. This I do not want. It may be sysop error too... just not enough time for me to debug it at the moment.

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  • From Vk3jed@432:1/100 to N1uro on Mon Jan 3 16:06:00 2022
    On 01-02-22 10:07, N1uro wrote to deon <=-

    Hello deon;

    deon wrote to N1uro <=-

    By today's standards, isnt most BBS software insecure?

    I may have an old copy of sbbsecho, I don't know. Someone I tried to
    set up to feed was able to turn on echos from other nets which were not allowed in my config. This I do not want. It may be sysop error too... just not enough time for me to debug it at the moment.

    Definitely a sysop error. You need to make use of echolist and the echolist keys feature of Synchronet to limit echomail access to specific FTNs. I haven't gone down this road, I use Mystic for my FTN hub, which automatically limits echo access to nodes from the same networks by default.


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